“There is no better life”

“There is no better life”

He is an internationally renowned cardiovascular researcher, highly decorated science manager – and former GDNÄ president: In an interview, Detlev Ganten talks about his years as a West German in an East German institute, the upswing in science and his plans for the third half of his life.

Professor Ganten, you have just stepped down as president of the World Health Summit, your new non-fiction book will soon be published and in between you are involved in the Berlin Year of Science 2021. Your eightieth birthday is coming up soon – will you find time to celebrate it at all?
You always have time for everything you consider important. And celebrating with friends, whatever the occasion, has always been very important in my life. I hope this special time with COVID-19 allows for joyful celebrations among friends and colleagues.

At a time when many are taking it easy professionally, you have hardly reduced your heavy pace. What drives you?
The joy of the task. Scientists have the inestimably great privilege of choosing their own tasks. There is no better life. In addition, there is the hope that one might be able to research and realise something significant.

You have been in the German science system for a long time and know it from very different perspectives: as a pharmacology professor in Heidelberg and as founding director of the Max Delbrück Centre for Molecular Medicine in eastern Berlin, as chairman of the board of the Helmholtz Association and as head of the Charité, to name just a few of your stations. How has the system changed during this time?
Fortunately, many things have improved. In the last fifty years, Germany has reconnected with its great scientific tradition. In the post-war years, economic reconstruction initially took priority.  Research and science didn’t really get going again until the 1970s, and reunification brought another considerable boost. The financial support was good and reliable. In the meantime, the “pillarization” of science, i.e. the separation of universities and non-university research institutions, is no longer as pronounced as it used to be; the system has become more permeable. When it comes to scientific productivity, Germany now ranks fourth in an international comparison. Overall, the country has once again developed into a very good, attractive science location. 

Welcome to Berlin: At the World Health Summit, founding president Detlev Ganten welcomed thousands of experts from politics and healthcare to the German capital every year between 2009 and 2020.

You left tranquil Heidelberg in 1991 to set up the Max Delbrück Centre for Molecular Medicine in the eastern part of Berlin. A big step, both personally and professionally. How did you approach the new task?
After my appointment as founding director on 5 September 1991, I immediately went to Berlin-Buch to introduce myself personally. There was a tense atmosphere, the approximately 2500 staff members were very unsettled at that time. In their eyes, I was the unknown Westerner with the task of forming something new out of the three central institutes of the Academy of Sciences of the GDR on site. This naturally aroused mistrust, but at the same time I sensed a great willingness to seize the opportunity of peaceful reunification, which had its origins in East Germany, and to walk a new path together. For a few weeks I then had conversations practically around the clock. My office was open to all staff members at all times, in the evenings we had Flensburg beer or red wine and so we also got to know each other better personally. In this open atmosphere, common concepts emerged and a spirit of optimism gripped everyone, releasing an incredible creativity. In 1992, we were able to ceremoniously found the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine (MDC) Berlin-Buch – the then Federal President Richard von Weizsäcker also came to the ceremony. I stayed at the MDC for twelve years. Professionally and personally, it was one of the most challenging and formative times of my life.

Flensburg beer and red wine have certainly contributed to this: but what was it at the core that changed the minds of your initially sceptical staff? In other words: How did mistrust turn into a spirit of optimism?
Mutual respect and listening were important. At the beginning, I didn’t know exactly what the path would look like and was dependent on finding it together. I told my staff and colleagues that openly and that released enormous energy: Everyone wanted to contribute to the success, even the administration, which is often so often scolded by scientists. In addition, there is the unique history of the location with its world-famous Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes and later with the biomedical complex around the Academy Institutes of the GDR – Buch had always been known for scientific quality. My Colleagues there were very aware of this tradition and it became a source of strength for me, too. What contributed greatly to our success were the great freedoms we enjoyed during the reconstruction years: Politics gave us a lot of leeway in our decisions.  

The MDC was to become a new-style research institution. Did it succeed?
I think so – but that’s for others to judge. Our concept of using research into basic molecular principles and basic cellular mechanisms together with clinicians to gain a better understanding of health and disease has proved successful. With flat hierarchies, many independent, young working groups and the opportunity to apply for third-party funding from the German Research Foundation and other funding bodies, we have created a modern, attractive, agile MDC. We have also ensured that results from basic research can quickly benefit patients and be used economically. The cooperation with Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin works extremely well.  A biotechnology campus has been established right next to the research labs, which is now one of the most important in Germany.

During your time as MDC director, you took on many additional tasks: More or less in parallel, you were a member of the Science Council, president of the Helmholtz Association and, from 1996 to 1998, also president of the GDNÄ. How did this plethora of offices come about?
I took on these additional tasks because they enabled new synergies for the development of the MDC. The renewal of the consortium of major research institutions into the Helmholtz Association was a blessing for us and for the whole of German health research. And the presidency of the highly respected GDNÄ I felt was a tribute to the new MDC.

Your term of office included the 175th birthday of the GDNÄ, which was celebrated with a large symposium in Lübeck. What comes to mind when you think back?
The wonderful, convivial, collegial atmosphere, the great guests. The tradition, the lively spirit and the selected lectures at the highest level: that still shapes my image of the GDNÄ today. The historian of science Dietrich von Engelhardt had prepared the conference and it went off brilliantly. I have very fond memories of the participation of the then Bundestag President Rita Süssmuth. Practically all the presidents of the major German science organisations came and new friendships were formed. Virchow, Helmholtz, the Humboldts – they would have enjoyed this conference.

A year later, in 1998, you hosted the 120th meeting of the GDNÄ in Berlin. It was entitled “Information World – Our Worlds of Information” – what exactly was it about?
One focus, for example, was genome research. New methods of gene sequencing in model organisms and humans resulted in a previously unknown amount of data with new possibilities in molecular medicine.  At the end of the 1990s, the opportunities and risks were discussed intensively worldwide. At that time, Germany was in a process of self-discovery, it was a time of upheaval. After reunification, Berlin became the seat of the Federal Government in 1999.  At that time, the new corporate identity of the nation was at stake: “Greater Germany” or “Land of Poets and Thinkers” – the public debate oscillated between these poles. Against this backdrop, Berlin as a kind of laboratory of reunification was naturally an excellent place for the meeting.

Meanwhile, preparations are underway for the 200th anniversary of the GDNÄ in 2022. How do you see the future of the tradition-rich society?
The interdisciplinary exchange among scientists and with the public – that is, after all, the GDNÄ’s brand essence – is more important today than ever. Other scientific institutions are now also organising large conferences with public components, I’m thinking of the Leibniz Association, the Max Planck Society or the Leopoldina and the state academies, for example. That is a good development.  What distinguishes the GDNÄ from other science organisations, however, is that it has teachers, students and interested citizens as members. My suggestion would be to go outwards even more in the future: with high-quality offers for the members and strong impulses into society. I see a great need there and I am very happy to contribute to such initiatives.

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Professor Detlev Ganten.

About the person

Professor Detlev Ganten was born in Lüneburg in March 1941. He studied medicine in Würzburg, Montpellier and Tübingen and earned the title “Philosophical Doctor, PhD” at McGill University in Montreal/Canada. In 1973 he returned to Germany to take up a professorship at the Pharmacological Institute of the University of Heidelberg. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, he was appointed founding director of the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine (MDC) in Berlin-Buch in 1991. From 2004 to 2008, Ganten was Chairman of the Board of Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin. From 1993 to 1998 he served as a member of the Science Council and from 1997 to 2001 as Chairman of the Helmholtz Association. From 2002 to 2007 Detlev Ganten was a member of the National Ethics Council, from 1992 to 1998 President of the World Hypertension League and from 1996 to 1998 President of the Society of German Natural Scientists and Physicians. From 2009 to 2020, he chaired the World Health Summit as its founding president.

Hypertension research is Ganten’s main scientific focus. He has received numerous honours in Germany and abroad for his achievements, including the Max Planck Research Prize in 1990, the Japanese Okamoto Prize and the CIBA Prize of the Council for High Blood Pressure Research of the American Heart Association (1992). He has been awarded honorary doctorates from several universities at home and abroad. In 1997 he was awarded the Order of Merit of the State of Berlin, in 2000 the Federal Cross of Merit and in 2003 he was made a Knight of the French Legion of Honour. Ganten is a member of the German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina, the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences and Humanities and other academies.

In addition to his scientific publications, Detlev Ganten is (co-)author of several popular science books: “Leben, Natur, Wissenschaft: Alles, was man wissen muss” (2005), “Die Steinzeit steckt uns in den Knochen” (2009) and “Die Gesundheitsformel” (2014). His new book, a double biography on Hermann von Helmholtz and Rudolf Virchow written together with Ernst Fischer, will be published in 2021 under the title “Die Idee des Humanen”.

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Masters of their field: In front of the MDC’s central building in Berlin-Buch, a bust commemorates the geneticist, biophysicist and Nobel laureate Max Delbrück, who conducted research in Berlin until 1937 and then emigrated to the USA.

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Leipzig 2022: Würzburg 2021 will be merged with 200th GDNÄ anniversary

Leipzig 2022

Würzburg 2021 will be merged with 200th GDNÄ anniversary

With a heavy heart, the GDNÄ Presidium has decided not to realize the 131st Assembly in Würzburg in 2021, but to combine it with the 132nd Assembly in Leipzig. The reason is the Corona pandemic, which made all previous plans obsolete. The anniversary conference will be held in Leipzig from 8 to 11 September 2022.

Everything was prepared on time for the meeting in Würzburg originally planned for September 2020 on the topic of “Science & Image”. Many GDNÄ members, selected students, teachers and citizens had looked forward to high-level lectures, discussions and personal exchange. But then Corona came and called for new solutions. In the early summer of 2020, it was decided to postpone the Würzburg Assembly was postponed by one year. At the time, that seemed like a safe distance. But in the meantime we had to realize that planning for an assembly in September 2021 would be too risky. Hence the decision to present highlights on the topic of “Science & Image” at the anniversary meeting to mark the 200th anniversary of the GDNÄ at its founding location in Leipzig – together with new topics that will be developed over the next few months and then presented on this page.

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The 200th anniversary celebration of the GDNÄ will take place in the
Congress Hall at the Leipzig Zoo.

New info flyer: Compact portrait of the GDNÄ

New info flyer

Compact portrait of the GDNÄ

“Knowledge in the best society”: This is the title of a new information brochure introducing the GDNÄ. The six-page flyer in a practical format outlines the great tradition of our scientific society, presents the diverse range of activities and presents quotes by some of our members.

An example is Paul Mühlenhoff, the head of the GDNÄ students’ programme: “The GDNÄ allows students to experience what they will find in their textbooks only 20 years later”. The attractive flyer is an excellent option to help recruit new members. Printed flyers can be ordered free of charge from the office (just send an e-mail or call). The new brochure is available as a PDF in two different sizes here:

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Saarbrücken 2018 © Robertus Koppies
“Knowledge in the best society”: New info flyer of the GDNÄ

Heribert Hofer We have a lot of ideas for the future

“We have a lot of ideas for the future“

Heribert Hofer, zoologist and designated GDNÄ President, on his plans for the next few years, wildlife research in Africa and conservation based on science.

Professor Hofer, you have been Vice President of the GDNÄ since the beginning of 2021. What does this task mean to you?
Very much. I have been associated with the GDNÄ for many years – most recently as Chair of the Biology Group. I feel honoured that I can now be even more involved with the oldest and largest interdisciplinary scientific society in Germany. To this day, the GDNÄ is of great importance in our scientific system: this is where leading researchers come together to discuss issues across disciplinary boundaries and involve the public in the process. That is unique and I admire the GDNÄ for that.

What priorities would you like to set as Vice-President?
Promoting the young generation is very close to my heart. One example of this is the Science Slams for students, which I initiated and moderated at the last assemblies in Greifswald and Saarbrücken. I think the young people had great fun and the older ones enjoyed watching it. In the coming years, I would like to help further expand the wonderful student programme of the GDNÄ and anchor it nationwide. One idea is to recruit experienced scientists as mentors: They could individually supervise our young talents and accompany them in the longer term. The student programme should become a central institution of the GDNÄ – that is my vision for the future.

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From the Landrover, Heribert Hofer observes predator behaviour.

Today you are an internationally recognised wildlife researcher and institute director. Who supported you at the beginning of your path? What shaped you?
I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s, when there were no such great programmes. I was mainly influenced by individual teachers in the mathematical and scientific fields and, very importantly, by certain books.   What I remember well is the book “Prinzip Eigennutz” by the German behavioural scientist Wolfgang Wickler. It was published in 1977, one year after Richard Dawkins´ book on the selfish gene. My godfather had given me Wickler’s work as a gift and I really devoured it. The Evolutionary Theory of Knowledge by the physicist and philosopher Gerhard Vollmer was also very important. I read his books with enthusiasm when I was still at school, although I can’t remember how I came across them.  What controls behaviour? According to which rules does social cohesion function? How accurate is the perception of reality? These are questions that have been driving me ever since.

You could have become a social scientist with that.
But then I wouldn’t have been able to deal with predators (laughs). Predators are very intelligent creatures and observing their behaviour in the field and drawing conclusions from it is incredibly fascinating.

You have been observing spotted hyenas in the East African savannah for many years. Why spotted hyenas of all creatures?
These predators have a very complex social behaviour and live in female-dominated groups. This means that their behaviour is almost a mirror image of the male dominance common in mammals. In 1986, I travelled to the Serengeti for the first time in order to study this special feature more closely. This is a Tanzanian national park the size of Schleswig-Holstein, where more than a million wildebeests, hundreds of thousands of zebras and thousands upon thousands of buffaloes, lions, hyenas and other large mammals live – more concentrated than anywhere else in the world. In the middle of the Serengeti, in the valley of the Seronera River, there is an international research institute with accommodation for scientists. We have rented and renovated two houses there and I have been staying there regularly for study purposes for 33 years, often together with my wife, the behavioural ecologist Marion East, and team members.

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Three male cheetahs resting in the Serengeti.

How can we imagine researcher life there?
It is a simple life. We live in quite simple huts scattered around the institute. We get our electricity from photovoltaic systems, and the water comes from large tanks that collect rainwater from the roof. Those with manual skills are at an advantage: there is always something to repair – in the hut, on the scientific equipment or on the Landrover. Scientists from all over the world live in the research institute, three quarters of them are women. There is little socialising, because everyone is fully occupied with their own projects. We, for example, always leave our quarters very early and stay out late to watch the hyenas in the centre of the Serengeti. The best times for this are between half past six and half past nine in the morning and between half past four and eight in the evening – so around sunrise and sunset.

These are long-term projects: How big is your data treasure in the meantime?
We now know the complete individual life histories of a good 2500 hyenas over several generations. For this we can stay in our study area, because the group territories are passed on from the mother’s generation to the daughter’s generation.  Our staff also study hyenas in the Ngorongoro Crater, a second study area located in the south-west of the Serengeti – and they have been doing so for almost twenty-five years.

What have you found out so far about the social behaviour of spotted hyenas?
A central question from the beginning was how the pronounced female dominance comes about, what advantage it has and how it could have arisen. At the top of the pack is an alpha female, followed by other females in a strict hierarchy, and all male clan members are below the lowest-ranking female. This is not due to hormonal differences, as is still erroneously claimed in textbooks today. Rather, we were able to show that female dominance in spotted hyenas is a learned behaviour and ultimately based on a pseudo-voluntary self-submission of the males. They have no other choice because females regularly dominate them due to female coalitions. Also, males only stand a chance in mating if they have succeeded in establishing a friendly relationship with a female.

So social competence is a real advantage?
That is definitely the case. In addition, young females in particular are mainly interested in males of their own clan that have recently joined the pack or were born later than they were. Therefore, clever males choose the group in the environment that has the most young females and migrate.  This also very successfully avoids incest incest, which could be a problem in a group structure where the young females neither know their older brothers nor their father. We were able to find convincing evidence for this in our long-term study in the Ngorongoro Crater. 

You have been the director of the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in East Berlin since 2000. It’s probably not that easy to do your own research there.
That’s true, but doing my own research was always important to me. Unfortunately, I can no longer spend months in the Serengeti as I did at the beginning of my career. But I still manage three or four weeks of field studies a year.

Science-based conservation plays a major role at your institute. What exactly do you mean by this?
A good example is the solution a team from my institute found for the conflict between cattle farmers and cheetahs in Namibia. In December 2020 we reported on it in the scientific journal PNAS. In central Namibia, several hundred individuals of the rare big cat species live freely on the lands of cattle farmers. Occasionally, the cheetahs kill cattle calves, which has led to considerable conflict. We then sat down with the cattle farmers, took on board their suggestions and questions, and together devised a research strategy. Together we then managed to fit 250 cheetahs with radio transmitters to record their movement behaviour and use of space. It turned out that there are particularly dangerous places for calves – namely where cheetahs from the region regularly meet to exchange information or find mating partners.

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Group photo in the green: the staff of the Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research on the meadow in front of the research building in Berlin-Friedrichsfelde.

In media reports, the meeting places were compared to trendy clubs in big cities.
Yes, you could also say that. We prefer to speak of communication centres. If the farmers knew which areas these were – we could tell them exactly if we had a transmitter-equipped cheetah on their farm – and when they then moved their herds elsewhere during calving season, losses dropped by more than 80 per cent. This great success was only possible through the trusting cooperation between scientists and farmers. We see our part in collecting questions together with the people concerned and finding scientifically based answers to them. This is the approach we are currently using in Germany to try to find a solution to the dispute about wolf repopulation.

What are the chances?
The outcome is open. Compared to Germany, Namibia has the advantage that the problems are honestly addressed and taken seriously both by the government and by the people concerned. That is not yet the case in Germany. In Germany, the wolf is rightfully a protected species, but on the other hand, the interests of the rural population are not sufficiently taken into account by parliamentarians and ministries. Therefore, especially the sheep farmers, who have very fragile economic livelihoods and simply cannot afford elaborate protection measures, are very upset. This is the field of conflict in which we operate.

Your institute is already active on many continents and conducts research on an astonishing range of topics.  Can that still be topped?
I think so. We certainly have a lot of ideas for the future. In the next few years, for example, we want to make greater use of the potential of modern remote sensing. Together with the German Aerospace Centre, we are currently developing methods to track endangered species by satellite and observe them in near-real time. Up to now, populations have been recorded with great technical and temporal effort. Relevant information often arrives much too late. Satellites could also be used to better observe animal migrations over large areas, for example in the Serengeti savannah. In another project, we want to equip vultures with intelligent radio transmitters to track down the carcasses of elephants that have fallen victim to poachers. The information, properly processed with artificial intelligence, could then be passed on to patrols and law enforcement agencies virtually in real time. The latest molecular biology methods, machine learning and artificial intelligence: as soon as we can use all of these together, we will be fit for the future – with modern, evidence-based nature and species conservation.

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Prof. Dr. Heribert Hofer, Director of the Leibniz-Instituts für Zoo- und Wildtierforschung

About the person 

Prof. Dr Heribert Hofer (60) has headed the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin-Friedrichsfelde since 2000. Until 2017, he was also head of the Department of Evolutionary Ecology at his institute. Since 2000, Hofer has held a professorship for Interdisciplinary Zoo and Wildlife Research at the Free University of Berlin. Before his time in Berlin, he worked at the Max Planck Institute for Behavioural Physiology in Seewiesen, Bavaria, from 1986 to 1999 – first as a postdoctoral researcher, later as an independent scientist. In 1997, he habilitated at the Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität in Munich with a thesis on the behaviour of spotted hyenas in the Serengeti savannah.  Heribert Hofer began his studies in zoology at Saarland University and completed them at Oxford University with a doctorate in “DPhil”.

The internationally renowned scientist is closely associated with the GDNÄ. He has been involved in many ways for many years: as an elected subject representative and group chair for the subject of biology, and as a session chair and speaker at meetings, for example in 2014 in Mainz, 2016 in Greifswald and 2018 in Saarbrücken. In addition to science communication with the public, Heribert Hofer is particularly keen on promoting young talent as part of the GDNÄ student programme. In November 2020, Professor Hofer was elected as the new Vice President by the General Assembly; he has held the honorary position since the beginning of 2021. As Vice President, Hofer is also the designated President of the GDNÄ. He will take up this office in 2023. 

Hyänen-Zwillingspärchen © Marion L. East und Heribert Hofer

Fates of the Serengeti: The picture shows two young hyena twins who grew up together and whose lives Heribert Hofer and Marion East documented as comprehensively as possible in a long-term project. On the left is a dominant sister with her subdominant brother; their mother has the lowest rank in the hyena pack at this point. Both are slightly smaller than the twins to their right, who are descended from the highest-ranking female in the group. The dominant sister (2nd from right) here is slightly larger than her sub-dominant brother. Both litters are the same age, but the cubs of the high-ranking mothers received more milk per day than the cubs of the low-ranking mothers – hence the size differences. Both females shown here stayed in their natal group all their lives; both brothers migrated to other groups not studied.

Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research 

Founded in 1992, Leibniz-IZW has rapidly developed into an internationally recognised research institute. It belongs to the Forschungsverbund Berlin e.V. and is a member of the Leibniz Association. The declared goal is to understand the adaptability of wildlife in the context of global change and to contribute to the preservation of healthy wildlife populations.

More than 200 people work at the IZW, including around 50 scientists. The research projects on a wide range of topics are mainly based in Europe, Africa and Southeast Asia. The spectrum ranges from studies on wildlife in the city and the threat posed to bats by wind farms to the reproduction of grotto olms and the conservation of the northern white rhinoceros.

Citizen research is a priority at the IZW. Most recently, the Institute invited citizens in Berlin and Brandenburg to observe squirrels and document their findings for new research projects.

Further information: www.izw-berlin.de

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One of the last Sumatran rhinos from the Malaysian state of Sabah. There, IZW researchers have been investigating the reasons for the drastic decline of this species since 2009.

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Virtual gathering

Virtual gathering

First online general meeting of the GDNÄ

The internet event organised due to the Corona pandemic replaced the general meeting which should have taken place during the meeting in Würzburg in September 2020. The Presidium welcomed the members registered with the office on 24 November 2020, 11 a.m., to the Extraordinary General Meeting in the virtual lecture hall.

On the agenda, alongside the regular reports, was the election of a new 2nd vice-president who will assume the office of president in 2023.

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GDNÄ meeting in pre-Corona times.

Berlin zoologist is new GDNÄ vice president

Berlin zoologist is new GDNÄ vice president

With the internationally renowned wildlife researcher Heribert Hofer, a committed supporter of young talents is taking on more responsibility in our scientific society.

On November 24, the general meeting of the German Society of Natural Scientists and Physicians (GDNÄ) appointed Prof. Dr. Heribert Hofer, Director of the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research (IZW) in Berlin, as its new Vice-President. The renowned zoologist will take over the honorary function at the beginning of 2021. As newly elected vice president, Hofer is also the designated president of the GDNÄ. He will take up this office in 2023.

Heribert Hofer (60) has been head of the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin-Friedrichsfelde since 2000 and was also head of the Department of Evolutionary Ecology at his institute until 2017. Since 2000 Hofer has held a professorship for Interdisciplinary Zoo and Wildlife Research at the Free University of Berlin. Prior to his time in Berlin, he worked at the Max Planck Institute for Behavioral Physiology in Seewiesen, Bavaria, from 1986 to 1999 – first as a postdoctoral fellow, later as an independent scientist. In 1997 he habilitated at the University of Munich with a thesis on the behavior of spotted hyenas in the Serengeti Savannah.  Heribert Hofer began his studies of zoology at the University of Saarland and completed it at the University of Oxford with the doctoral degree “DPhil”.

The internationally renowned scientist has been closely associated with the GDNÄ for years. Heribert Hofer is involved in many ways: as an elected representative and group chairman for the subject of biology as well as with speeches at meetings, for example in 2016 in Greifswald and 2018 in Saarbrücken. In addition to science communication with the public, he is particularly interested in the promotion of young talents within the GDNÄ student program.

An interview with Professor Hofer about his wildlife research in Africa, his commitment to science-based nature conservation and his future plans for the GDNÄ is available here.

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Prof. Dr. Heribert Hofer, Director of the Leibniz-Instituts für Zoo- und Wildtierforschung

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